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More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents detail the origins and growth of the indoctrination program in Xinjiang, where a million or more predominately Muslim minorities have been held in a vast network of detention centers nytimes.com/interactive/2019/1

Chinese authorities have corralled as many as a million ethnic Uighurs, Kazakhs and others into internment camps and prisons over the past three years.

Full document, note the euphemistic terms they use: nytimes.com/interactive/2019/1

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They are true masters of dealing with literal fucking "thought crime".

> It is just that their thinking has been infected by unhealthy thoughts..

> Currently, only actively undergoing education and training can thoroughly eradicate this “malignant tumor” in their thinking..

> he moment they issue incorrect opinions on WeChat, Weibo and other social media platforms, the impact is widespread and difficult to eradicate. Students must undergo ideological re-education..

According to idiot leftist this is not human rights violation.


Of course they are the CPC unless you forget what the C's stand for (it includes China).

Also they are not idiots - as in, to fulfill at this scale you cannot be stupid.

Mao took care of Communist taking power in mainland China.

Don't you love how these Communists try to blur the distinction between being Chinese and being Communist. They try to say to be one is the same as being the other.


Who exactly is blurring the distinction?

There are Chinese dissidents as well as some people within the party that are disclosing and source/s of the leaks - see twitter.com/austinramzy/status


The CCP. It's very telling by what the propaganda that they've been spoon feeding to the mainland Chinese. Criticism of the CCP is taken as an attack on China.

@redwhitebluedude Yeah. Australia has a serious problem with CCP influence also for various reasons and has been ongoing for a while. Many more countries are joining the fray, not just immediate vicinity.

You have cases in the past where the Chinese consulates/embassies have organized Chinese expats and students to disrupt and harass dissidents and anti CCP protests.

@redwhitebluedude It goes way beyond that for Australia, the disruption etc are all very visible but there has been some problems that were hidden.

See this book called "Silent Invasion" nytimes.com/2017/11/20/world/a

Australia university reliant on 🇨🇳 for income abc.net.au/news/2019-08-21/aus

And more.

Vancouver has a property problem: theguardian.com/cities/2016/ju (this is hot topic, also I used to live in YVR and read all about it)


The most important thing to see the big picture. Where does the CCP get the money to do all this stuff? From the trade relations with the US. It has been ripping off the US via espionage. If Trump cuts the CCP off because they are incapable of playing fair due to their ideology then they source of money will dry up. All their antics will suffer the consequences from academic and political infiltration on countries to their One Belt One Road to bases abroad.

@redwhitebluedude I've been engaged in a similar discussion (and ended up blocking the CPC defender) a week or so ago.

At the same time, I can't help but note that there's a significant set of people, up to and including the head of state of the United States, who espouse quite similar thoughts.

These don't generally have force of law (though the distinction is at best thin in many instances). You could look at US visa social media disclosure requirements, as one example.


@redwhitebluedude My point being that self-examination, self-awareness, and self-critical mindsets are crucial to maintain. It's exceedingly easy and appealing to get drawn into an "it's them, not us" mentality.

China faces extreme challenges, and has for centuries. It's made stunning progress in the past 2-5 decades. Though with immense costs, personal, political, social, and environmental. I'm neither blindly approving nor critical.



Since 2012, CCP has been under the leadership of Xi Jinping which has had a very different approach to the previous leaders.

See brookings.edu/policy2020/voter

I don't share the same take as you in being on the fence about China. I'm very critical about how China is like today, even moreso this year compared to the previous year. The mood at the time when I was in university (definitely before 2012/Jinping) era was certainly different.

@superruserr Thanks.

Note that fence-sitting does not mean abstaining from criticism, or credit, for specific instances. My own sentiments are based on a long-but-shallow awareness of the nation's and region's history and scale.

China is a very complex place. And interventions by the West (and Eastern powers) play a role.

Consider it partially suspended judgement, not indifference. That's a state I can hold for a considerable period of time.

Others' motives in criticism factor too.

@superruserr I tracked down that earlier thread, BTW, here:


OP was dismissive of claims of oppression against Uighurs.